Borrow From Your 401k??? YES!

If someone told you he was able to get his clients 18.7% a year over the last 20 years would you give him your money to manage?

I hope not! As in this video I show you how people use, “misuse?”, investment models as a way to show their investment performance.

The problem with models is EVERYONE and their mom has a model they can backtest to “prove” anything. As someone once said, if you torture the data enough it will confess to anything.

So tell me…how is YOUR investment model going to generate positive alpha over ALL the other models, algorithms, PhDs, AI, etc.? You think you’ve found the magic solution that NOONE else can exploit?

What happens with investment models is that when they work for a bit they generate excess cash flows. And thus the model loses its ability for future outperformance. And many a money manager is left on the streets without shoes wondering what went wrong. “it always worked before,” they’ll say.

Yup, always does. Until it doesn’t. Just hope you weren’t leveraged when the markets caught up to you, as it certainly will.

Models also never take taxes into consideration. For instance, the guy I hammer in this video he simply says the way to generate excess return is to get out before the markets drop and back in before they go up.

Whoa! Who knew??? But even if you were able to do that, what’s the tax consequence of all that selling?


Yeah, I’m cynical. Been around too long not to be.

Hopefully, my cynicism can rub out on you too so you can protect you assets.

What’s the best way to get good returns??? Shhh…don’t tell this to anyone.

It’s to stay in the market, good times AND bad. Historically, the good times have outweighed the bad and thus you made money. Will that continue? Anyone’s guess.

But the alternative is what??? A 2.84% 10 Year Treasury bond. Oh, and that’s BEFORE tax and inflation. Not going to make much return there.

It’s absolutely fine to borrow from your 401k, especially if you have expensive debt!

In the video below, we actual model the results of two scenarios:
1. Borrow $10k from the 401k to pay off $10k credit card.
2. Don’t borrow $10k from 401k to pay off $10k credit card.

We’ll call the guy in scenario 1, Josh, and the guy in scenario 2, Joey.

401ks and Credit Cards
They both have an expected rate of return on their 401k of 6%. They also both paying 10% interest on their credit card.

Josh says to Joey he is going to borrow from his 401k to pay off that credit card. Joey, having read seemingly ALL of the financial literature, says that’s crazy, and he will continue to pay the credit card debt with monthly payments.

When Josh took out the 401k loan the interest rate he paid was 4.5%. He also has to pay the loan back over 5 years, 60 months, meaning his monthly payment was $188

Joey paid the exact $188 a month towards his credit card.

Who do you think came out ahead???

More in 401k
Well, unsurprisingly, it was JOSH. Why? Simple, the 4.25% interest he is paying on the loan goes back to HIM! Also, each $188 monthly payment is growing at the expected rate of return of 6% as well.

Josh took out $10k to pay off $10k in debt and paid $11,280 back..100% of which went back to his account. On top of that, that $11,280 was also growing at 6%. Thus over that 60 month time frame, the $11,280 he paid back grew to $13,177!

At the end of 5 years his total account was worth $67,070.

After 5 Years Still a Credit Card Balance!
Joey, however, decided to leave his 401k untouched and instead directed his $188 a month payment towards his credit card. Unfortunately for him, after 5 years, he still had a balance of nearly $2,000 on his credit card!

Plus, while he started with more than Josh, after 5 years his 401k only grew to about $67,000 while Josh had a bit more in his account, EVEN after taking the $10k loan!

Ultimately, Josh was nearly $2,000 wealthier than Joey after borrowing from his 401k to pay off his credit card debt.

Will this scenario ring true always??? Of course not.

Investment Returns vs. Credit Card Interest
If your expected rate of return is higher than your credit card interest, well, you may want to reconsider. (I’d simply ask how you expect to get that return though???)

Maybe you have a 0% teaser rate on your credit card. My default is to pay down debt, but I get the arbitrage opportunity that exists by using a 0% card and allowing your investments to grow.

Leaving Your Job?
What if you leave your job BEFORE the 401k loan is paid off? Then you’ will pay ordinary income (OI) tax on the remaining balance of the loan, PLUS if you’re under 59.5 you’ll also pay a 10% penalty.

So, again, proceed with caution. But don’t simply just follow the herd blindly over the cliff and close your eyes to the opportunity that does exist.

Can’t Borrow Against An IRA
Now, you can NOT borrow against an IRA. So, if you have an IRA and are considering taking a distribution to pay off a debt, remember, PLEASE, that each dollar you do take out will be taxed as OI AND if you’re under 59.5 you’re going to pay that 10% IRS penalty.

In this case it will take more than a $15,000 distribution from an IRA for someone who is say 50 years old in a 25% tax bracket to net the $10k to pay the credit card.

Don’t do that!

Taxable Account With Long Term Capital Gains?
On the other hand, what if you have a TAXABLE account with some gains in it. Should you use that? Maybe.

Say you have an account worth $10k that consists of $5k of long term capital gains.

Well, in this case you’d pay $750 in a one-time capital gains tax to avoid the 10% interest charge, EACH YEAR!

Makes sense to me to do that. But each situation is different. So, choose your path carefully.

Finally, the best solution of course is to not have any debt! But that’s a tough pill to swallow for most Americans today. Things just cost more than the cash we have available.

Getting Out Of Debt Is Best Solution
Going forward though TRY to get out of debt. That is the best financial planning move you can make.

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